An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

Postby DSH_97 on Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:43 am

http://news.steelers.com/article/116970/

Hmmm, did they just make their move? I've talked about this on more than a few times, about LeBeau's eventual replacement. Who that coach is was obviously an unknown. But this addition....I don't remember the Steelers ever needing such a position as this before. I could be wrong.
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Re: An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

Postby Heinz Hitman on Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:32 pm

I always liked Olsavsky when he was with us. He played with a lot of heart. Glad to have him back on board.
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Re: An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

Postby mojouw on Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:10 pm

DSH_97 wrote:http://news.steelers.com/article/116970/

Hmmm, did they just make their move? I've talked about this on more than a few times, about LeBeau's eventual replacement. Who that coach is was obviously an unknown. But this addition....I don't remember the Steelers ever needing such a position as this before. I could be wrong.


He is replacing a former coach at this position (Spanos or something) who got a promotion to go work with another team. LIkely that Butler replaces Lebeau and then Olsavsky replaces Butler.
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Re: An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

Postby DSH_97 on Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:08 am

mojouw wrote:
DSH_97 wrote:http://news.steelers.com/article/116970/

Hmmm, did they just make their move? I've talked about this on more than a few times, about LeBeau's eventual replacement. Who that coach is was obviously an unknown. But this addition....I don't remember the Steelers ever needing such a position as this before. I could be wrong.


He is replacing a former coach at this position (Spanos or something) who got a promotion to go work with another team. LIkely that Butler replaces Lebeau and then Olsavsky replaces Butler.


If that's the case, I see no good to come of it...
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Re: An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

Postby ubudog on Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:22 pm

Heinz Hitman wrote:I always liked Olsavsky when he was with us. He played with a lot of heart. Glad to have him back on board.



i did too... he wasn't quite as physically gifted but mentally, yeah, he played smart. i like smart. he seemed to always be around the ball or in the right place at the right time.
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Re: An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

Postby Master Blaster on Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:35 pm

DSH_97 wrote:If that's the case, I see no good to come of it...

Really? Why is that?
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Re: An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

Postby DSH_97 on Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:54 am

Because the question remains to be answered, how much of his success is due to the the talent he has to coach, and how much of it is him? Arguably, there's other good coaches out there that may be better than Butler. I guess we shall see in the future what happens...
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Re: An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

Postby mojouw on Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:31 pm

DSH_97 wrote:Because the question remains to be answered, how much of his success is due to the the talent he has to coach, and how much of it is him? Arguably, there's other good coaches out there that may be better than Butler. I guess we shall see in the future what happens...


While that may be true, there really is no way to know at this point. There are only a few other coaches out there, at least at the DC level, who have a proven success record with implementing and running 3-4 zone blitz concepts. I can think of Dom Capers and maybe Mike Nolan off the top of my head. How can anyone know if Butlers is any better or worse than those coaches? Barring a massive scheme and personnel change when Lebeau exits, the Steelers would need to hire someone who could immediately step in and continue running the same style of defensive system. Wouldn't a candidate that learned hands on from one of the founders of said system be an ideal candidate?
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Re: An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

Postby Master Blaster on Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:31 am

DSH_97 wrote:Because the question remains to be answered, how much of his success is due to the the talent he has to coach, and how much of it is him? Arguably, there's other good coaches out there that may be better than Butler. I guess we shall see in the future what happens...

You're making an assumption that is based on pure speculation. We're on the outside looking in and we have to trust that the organization has complete confidence in their decision.
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Re: An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

Postby Dwinsgames on Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:25 am

Master Blaster wrote:
DSH_97 wrote:Because the question remains to be answered, how much of his success is due to the the talent he has to coach, and how much of it is him? Arguably, there's other good coaches out there that may be better than Butler. I guess we shall see in the future what happens...

You're making an assumption that is based on pure speculation. We're on the outside looking in and we have to trust that the organization has complete confidence in their decision.



I think anything we type here on this subject is pure speculation until proven otherwise ...

we simply do not have a clue what this mans capability is until he has a chance to prove it ...he may be better than Lebeau ( doubtful I know ) and he may very well suck ...............

on Paper many things seem possible that never come to fruition and many things seem impossible ( or nearly so ) and happen ............ this is without question a wait and see proposition :OK:
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Re: An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

Postby Master Blaster on Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:39 am

I do agree with Art Rooney II and Jerome that this team must get back to focusing on running the ball more. I know Ben loves the vertical game that Ariens has instituted, but what QB doesn't prefer to air it out? What Ben doesn't seem to understand is a team must be balanced and the lack of commitment to the running game last year bears that out. IMO, that lack of commitment to the running attack took away some of the physical prowess we've come accustomed to. I saw on too many occasions where the Steelers were getting out physicaled, especially by their division opponents. That's not acceptable. I believe that Art Rooney II saw the same thing hence his insistence on improving the running game. Of course that all starts with Tomlin no longer conducting "camp cupcake".

They need to getting back to establishing an identity as a very physically tough team. We'll know for sure what kind of team we'll see next season once the draft picks have been made and what kind of camp Tomlin conducts.
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Re: An old face joins the defensive coaching staff

Postby DSH_97 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:37 am

Some of it has to do with Butler's resume. Compared to a coach like Capers, before he became a Def. Coord., Butler is basically a fill in. I'd like it alot with a coach like John Fox came in to replace LeBeau. Somebody that has a lot of good proven experience.

Man, Tomlin really dropped the ball on the coaches he chose. And the F.O. didn't help all that much either. Gailely as offensive coordinator would have been a logical answer and talking with Capers before he went to Green Bay would have been another one. I don't remember Capers having it out for Pittsburgh, so I can't exactlyt say for sure he would have went for it, but still...
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